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Operating an HT on a cruise ship

Jun 22nd 2013, 16:36

WZ8Q

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Where should I look to find the rules and procedures for operating a 70cm HT on a cruse ship in the western Caribbean?
Jun 26th 2013, 12:38

W1VT

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http://www.arrl.org/maritime-mobile-operation-in-international-waters

If the ship is of foreign registry, you must obtain a reciprocal operating authorization from the country of registry in addition to being in compliance with Section 97.11
Jun 28th 2013, 00:20

WZ8Q

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Thank you. Looks like the HT needs to stay at home. -Tom, WZ8Q
Aug 29th, 14:20

KC8CF

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I have just learned that "HAM" radios are prohibited on Norwegian Cruise Lines and will be confiscated upon boarding. Note that FRS/GMRS radios are not mentioned. This appears to be a knee-jerk prohibition, but I'm not sure. Can somebody look in to this? I just want a VHF/UHF handheld to be used in Cayman Islands (wit proper license) and maybe on-board.
Aug 29th, 19:35

W1VT

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http://www.ka3nam.com/ka3nam-vp9-mm/obtaining-permission-from-the-cruise-line
The issue is that cruise lines typically are registered to foreign countries and most Americans don't go through the hassle of getting ham radio operating permission from the country that registers the ship. But, if you do get permission and ask nicely, it is likely that your request will be granted.

Zack W1VT
ARRL Senior Lab Engineer
Aug 31st, 06:19

KC8CF

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Thank you for pointing out the foreign registry issue. Gotcha'. But my other concern is that NCL says that they will confiscate the radio, so I wouldn't be able to use it in port on Grand Cayman (with ZF2 license). Just noting that for info purposes. It seems a bit harsh.
Aug 31st, 08:26

W1VT

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These days, "ham" radios can be programmed to any frequency, including those used by the Cruise Line. They may have valid security concerns for people bringing aboard radios that normally require licenses but for which no authorization exists.

Zack Lau W1VT
ARRL Senior Lab Engineer
Aug 31st, 10:44

KC8CF

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Not trolling here, but can you point to info on how "ship's registry" applies? Is a VHF/UHF hand-held radio, not in any way physically attached to the ship covered by international radio regulations? This could be an important issue for the large (maybe) numbers of hams that cruise? I want to collect all the data that I can to respectfully challenge the prohibition and confiscation issue.
Aug 31st, 10:53

KC8CF

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A radio that can scan? Is that what you're talking about? That's not a "HAM" radio, by definition. Different issue. A more serious consideration of this topic is desired.
Aug 31st, 12:53

W1VT

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http://people.howstuffworks.com/cruise-ship-law1.htm
Here is a good explanation of how the ship's registry applies.
Everything might seem first class, but if something bad happens, you may find that the laws of a third world country hold precedence!

I am referring to grey market radios that can not only be programmed to transmit on ham frequencies, but to frequencies well outside the ham bands. It is legal to do use these radios under Part 97 as long as they meet spectral purity regulations, but other countries may have different ideas on the legality of using these radios.

Zack W1VT
ARRL Senior Lab Engineer
Aug 31st, 16:21

KC8CF

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That is ever so tangential an answer. Gray market and third world. I will escalate this to question and the response to ARRL mgt. I expect so much better from the my League.
Aug 31st, 19:35

W1VT

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http://www.cruisemapper.com/wiki/758-cruise-ship-registry-flags-of-convenience-flag-state-control
What countries Cruise ships used for registry in 2015.

I remember when most Cruise ships had Liberian registry
http://archive.fortune.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2001/06/11/304620/index.htm

http://www.cybercruises.com/cm_mar14-a-look-at-cruise-ship-registry.htm
For many years, the flag of Liberia, one that somewhat resembles that of the United States, was popular with American owners. Carnival Cruise Lines, Royal Caribbean and Celebrity all used to operate some of their fleet under Liberian flag but since the dictatorship of Charles Taylor, who was removed from power in 2003 and has just been tried for war crimes, all cruise ships left the Liberian flag.

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