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RTTY DXCC ?

Jul 28th 2011, 23:36

W5CPT

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What was the logic behind dropping RTTY DXCC and making it Digital?

Clint - W5CPT
Aug 1st 2011, 17:51

K1ZZ

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Clint, the logic behind the change is that other data modes in addition to RTTY are already counted toward RTTY DXCC. The DX Advisory Committee offered several alternative names, the simplest of which was Digital DXCC, and in this case simplicity won out.

There is no change in the requirements for the award -- just the name.

73,
Dave Sumner, K1ZZ
Aug 2nd 2011, 23:27

WB9B

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So is the CW award, Also a Digital Mode, being rolled into it as well... ;O)

The RTTY community, Myself among them, Are a little confused as to why this change was deemed necessary.

If the change was in some way meant to foster the use of the other modes, wouldn't have been better to have simply created a separate "DIGITAL" DXCC. Thereby creating another Award for Us all to work toward.

RTTY has a long history as a distinct Mode in its own right, as much so as PHONE and CW.

73, Mike WB9B
Aug 3rd 2011, 00:06

K0IDT

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Was there any chance for input on this decision from the amateur
community at large?

73,
Ron
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Aug 3rd 2011, 17:58

K1ZZ

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The change was not so much to encourage other digital modes as to recognize that they are increasingly being used, and that they count toward RTTY DXCC. If Phone DXCC originally had been called AM DXCC there would have had to have been a similar transition at some point as SSB came into use. As for additional awards, speaking just for myself I'm glad that DXpeditions aren't pressured to work the same guys over and over on the whole gamut of digital modes, thus reducing the chances of "little guns" to make one QSO.

Input from the ARRL membership is via the DX Advisory Committee, whose members are appointed by the division directors.

Dave, K1ZZ
Aug 8th 2011, 23:07

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Aug 9th 2011, 00:46

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I don't operate digital modes hardly all, so I don't have a dog in this show, but I don't see how anyone has been tossed aside. Other digital modes have counted for what used to be somewhat misnamed "RTTY DXCC" for a long time. So changing the name of the award doesn't change the award, or the rules that have applied to it during most of the time that you have been working toward RTTY DXCC.

This certainly doesn't take away from the accomplishments you have made, and those contacts still were made and still count to the award.

Those that choose to seek an award their own way are doing what thousands of hams have done before -- sought an award their own way. I am a QRPer and I sought my Worked All States award with 250 milliwatts. I was not cast aside because the WAS award recognized all of the different ways that WAS can be achieved. I picked one way and applied it to my own award.

That award means a lot to me, and if ARRL had a separate 250 milliwatt QRP WAS award, or 250 milliwatt CW HF WAS award for people using wire antennas up no higher than 50 feet, that would not mean as much to me as my own sense of knowing what I did.

Good luck with working the new ones on RTTY. I watched some of the HQ staff work ST0R on RTTY, so there are new ones to be had!

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
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Aug 9th 2011, 14:40

K1KOB

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We tried years ago to change the name of "RTTY DXCC AWARD". But the ARRL said all the new digital modes were under RTTY ! They weren't RTTY. Now it looks like all the oldtimers have gone QRT. So the easiest way is to put ALL (except CW) digital modes under the same award, and name it "DIGITAL" Thanks ARRL for waking up after all these years. I've been a ham for 52 years and have the following DXCC awards.. mixed, phone, cw, 10 meter, 80 meter, 40 meter, 20 meter, 15 meter, rtty, and 5 band. Its been a lot of fun, but why should I call PKT or PSK31 RTTY ? Remember when an invading army counted as the country they were invading ? Again, chasing DX is fun. My modest totals are 340/349.
Have fun.... Ralph K1KOB
Aug 9th 2011, 19:40

N6ML

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I always understood the term "Radio TeleTYpe" to refer to any mode where text is modulated into a radio signal, even though we generally assume it to refer to FSK Baudot.

So, now .. if I make a QSO using a digital voice mode, does that count for Phone or Digital DXCC???
Aug 9th 2011, 20:41

K1ZZ

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Digital voice is phone.

Dave K1ZZ
Aug 16th 2011, 14:55

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Dear Dave,

Perhaps you are not aware of the fact that the change of the award's name did not meet a support in the international RTTY community, to say the least.

Is there any possibility to return back to DXCC RTTY? If so, what has to be done, especially among foreign supporters of RTTY DXCC? Will any petition help? If so, what should be the number of signatories in order to consider the petition serious enough to reconsider the ARRL decision?

73,
Vladimir VE3IAE
Aug 16th 2011, 19:05

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I would like to see the ARRL go the other direction for DXCC awards. How about increasing the variety of awards possible instead of decreasing them? Especially in this age of computers, it should be easy to issue any combination of bands and modes the submitter requests. If someone wants an award for 10 meter FM DXCC, why not? Or 6 Meter RTTY? Or 160 Meter PSK31? Or 15 Meter AM Phone? This could be an additional source of income for ARRL with a modest charge for each new certificate. If desired, the ARRL could limit applications to LotW QSLs to streamline the process even further. Once the basic programming is done, the issuing of certificates would be a snap.
Aug 17th 2011, 00:57

LA6FJA

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*LA7WCA Arne wrote a email to ARRL and got an email from NC1L which says something like "that there are more people having interest of PSK31 than RTTY"
Why haven't there been any pool in ARRL / QST asking if the DXCC RTTY Award is wanted renamed or not kept as RTTY ?

Why we having MANY BIG DXpedition which are running thousands of RTTY QSO and 1000 ++ people which are VERY active in CQ WW RTTY and CQ WPX RTTY...and other RTTY contests ?

I have seen there is a few QRV in PSK31 PSK63 contests, there are almost no one compared to RTTY contest and DXing.

I don't see the clue of collecting DXCC in RTTY in contest and DXing in future, from now it doesn't count for me...

I have make lot of new hams interested in RTTY which are little shy to use SSB etc. This is how they can learn how to operate radio and take next steps on the air...
It is about recruits into our Hobby and to create interesting new targets for the youth..
Youth, recruits, contesting, DXing and computer is future of hamradio...
Isn't the future of young hams and ALL mode for newbie target for ARRL ===??? Because most of you already have had this award yourself???
I remember my first RTTY QSOes was when I was 12-13 yrs old operating with my father while I was in the radio course in the clubstation... that is my history why I still love CW and RTTY since early days.

As I can read on RTTY reflector and on eham is that other thinking that this is a step in wrong direction to rename am award in lack of interests?

What will be the next in the future?
Maybe it will be to rename DXCC CW to Digital CW because people don't use their straight key, but they are using the computer CW is also a kind of digital mode... or Phone will be D-STAR or similar for that folk wants to have for their Award...?

May it had been better having an award of RTTY and 2nd of Mixed Digital for
PSK31 ,JT65M, Hellscreibe etc with extra text for that "mode" you wanted to grant award for..

I hope some other society coming up with a new Award to those which never had chance to get the DXCC RTTY award.

I always wanted to be a member of ARRL to support development of LOTW and DXCC Program, but now it is not so very valuable for me to be a member since I never can get this RTTY award after MANY years for DXing and RTTY contests....

So for now we can make our own Award for DXCC RTTY and woody plaque with RTTY in the workshop:) Since it will always belongs to the history and I never can get it either from LOTW or DXCC.

Next year I will let my ARRL membership go to some other Society!

73 LA6FJA Rag
Aug 17th 2011, 05:29

WC1X

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Why, after the huge upturn in worldwide RTTY contesting during the past several years, would ARRL decide to eliminate the RTTY designation from awards? I suspect the Newington decision makers do not operate RTTY at all.
Aug 17th 2011, 23:21

VE3VID

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I really enjoy digital modes, and RTTY in particular. Perhaps because it has a lot more history than PSK and OLIVIA that I've enjoyed.

** Question to the ARRL Moderator: Would ARRL consider a RTTY endorsement crest for the Digital DXCC Award?

This might be one possible solution. I for one would like to distinguish my DXCC if I had completed it in RTTY alone.

VE3VID David

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